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in the way in which Sir R. M. Lefevre

drafted the convention

I have sent you the following

despatch & Advices relating to the

banishment & deported criminals.

pr. no: 12270/70.

1145-11387-

11380

I do not send

4/7. U.S. Leone

In this and N. 3.

June

with a copy of

the Attorney General's report to both to Parliament

I request the forwarding

of despatch, and remarks thereon.

To the

I am in

opposition to the

proposed change, with certain limitations to secure that the

the frontier

at.

tom line

the "Examination should be confined to the charge - But it might work well in England, not in this Colony.

further reply is promised

by next Mail, so that this reference will either be

delayed until then

My 15 Ordinance No 4.

has received such reply.

This Ordinance was drawn out

modified in accordance with the permission framed by Buckingham in his despatch of

August 1867.

Sir Mowbray

HW Haggard

3839

R

June 13/72

2360 HK

77

Extract from

Despatch will be found

in favour of

the Branding with the consent of the Prisoner, &

under the

very

peculiar circumstances

I concur with them. But I differ from

Kimberley

on 4224 that he is

not prepared to assent to this

dealing with criminals, and unless his

opinion is changed, the assent to the Ordinance which has a pending clause should be withheld.

However Lord Kimberley is willing to revive the Experiment branding, there remains the question of flogging upon conviction for a crime

referred to the Money.

after

a convict

The views of Lord MacDonnell, and those of Lord Kimberley upon this point.

will be found

Divested upon 4222/24

When

the crime, which has

The Ordinance does not specify shall render the criminal liable to flogging, must be in the opinion of the Court "of brutal, inveterate

Measures

or mischievous as to justify extraordinary

here is the Supreme Court. and as the fact

on his Lordship to think that sufficient power is vested

hardly

of Flogging.

unscrupulous sentences

It might however be as well to state

"I understand the term is not to refer

the Supreme Court only

I not to include magistrates

in whom the power is not considered to be vested.

J.T.H.

1/6

Smates us

I would refer the Ordinance des 3 to Major General

& Mr. Hohdun, with opinion that

regard

To Admiral No 4 I retain the same

my brief minute on 4224. With reference

to Lord Kimberley's minute following, I would remark that

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in the way in which Sir R. M. Lefevre drafted the convention I have sent you the following despatch & Advices relating to the banishment & deported criminals. pr. no: 12270/70. 1145-11387- 11380 I do not send 4/7. U.S. Leone In this and N. 3. June with a copy of the Attorney General's report to both to Parliament I request the forwarding of despatch, and remarks thereon. To the I am in opposition to the proposed change, with certain limitations to secure that the the frontier at. tom line the "Examination should be confined to the charge - But it might work well in England, not in this Colony. further reply is promised by next Mail, so that this reference will either be delayed until then My 15 Ordinance No 4. has received such reply. This Ordinance was drawn out modified in accordance with the permission framed by Buckingham in his despatch of August 1867. Sir Mowbray HW Haggard 3839 R June 13/72 2360 HK 77 Extract from Despatch will be found in favour of the Branding with the consent of the Prisoner, & under the very peculiar circumstances I concur with them. But I differ from Kimberley on 4224 that he is not prepared to assent to this dealing with criminals, and unless his opinion is changed, the assent to the Ordinance which has a pending clause should be withheld. However Lord Kimberley is willing to revive the Experiment branding, there remains the question of flogging upon conviction for a crime referred to the Money. after a convict The views of Lord MacDonnell, and those of Lord Kimberley upon this point. will be found Divested upon 4222/24 When the crime, which has The Ordinance does not specify shall render the criminal liable to flogging, must be in the opinion of the Court "of brutal, inveterate Measures or mischievous as to justify extraordinary here is the Supreme Court. and as the fact on his Lordship to think that sufficient power is vested hardly of Flogging. unscrupulous sentences It might however be as well to state "I understand the term is not to refer the Supreme Court only I not to include magistrates in whom the power is not considered to be vested. J.T.H. 1/6 Smates us I would refer the Ordinance des 3 to Major General & Mr. Hohdun, with opinion that regard To Admiral No 4 I retain the same my brief minute on 4224. With reference to Lord Kimberley's minute following, I would remark that Page 535 MINUTE PAPER.
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in the way in which Si. R. M. Les dratt

well the qevention

Iako send you the following

Infolcher & Adrianças ulatury L. the

bunuhment & defortid criminals.

pron for : 12270/70.

1145-11387-

11380

I do not send

4/7. U so. Leone

In this ann N. 3.

Juned

ufe

it with a copy of

the Altong feurali report to both to Paunespite

request the farmund

deld Suate, and Mccations therem.

withi

To thr

I am in

any pawner of the

oposed change, with cut are limitations to secure that the

the frontier ་་ཅ་རི་ན་ ང་། “ཆ་ིད་

yat.

tom lin

the "Examquation shakes be confined to the charge - But it might work well in boghand, tart in at Colony.

further repal is promised (

Meat

C

bext Mail, so that this refrence had wither in

delayed until in

My 15 tdinance No 4.

han received such lefat.

This adinary areas out

modified

ir in meyordance with the permission framed the By Buckingham in his despatele of

Tapuit 1867.

Sir Mozen

HW Hagesten

3839

R

June 13/72

2360 HK

77

gustation from

Desparse will he found

The

бумерова

in favour of

the Branding with the consent of the Prisoner, &

under the

very

peculiar circumit uuen

гла

Con

Low

I concur with them. But I fallece prom

Kimberleyp

питит

on 4224 that he is

asi une i 2qrs.

4224

72.

5830 H Komp

72

MINUTE PAPER.

535

mork

not prepared to spent to this

dealing with criminals, and unters his

Queen

Joth

opion is changed, the spent to the ordinance which has simpending clause should to with held.

of havever Lord Kimberley is willing wellas the Experiment stranding the revived, there remains the question of flogging upon conviction for a crime

reborn to the Mony.

afte

a come conville)

The Meries of tord Mackson, id tegesen Ford Kimberly upon this point.

whe found

Diverter upor 42221.

24

When

the crime, which hat they

The Winance does not specifiy shall wenden the criminal liable & flogging, must be in the opinion of the out"

"out" of brutal, inveterate

Measures

to or mischievo as to justify auto aordinary

here is the Supreme (aut. and as the fant

an his ford to think that sufficient passion in mas gamist

harly

of Pogging.

unsonpulous septences

It might haveer be as well to state

"I understand the time (ant to refer

the Copreme (aut only

་་

I not to include magistrates

in whom down the day not consider this paver

shared to vested.

J.TH.

1/6

Smates us

Puppies

I would refer the Ordmance des 3 to Moje Pareupte

& Mr. Hohdun, with opinice us that

Capapu

regard

To Adriame no 4 I retain the sunu

my brief munite on 4224. Witt reference

to Lord him baley's mininte following thueyme, I wontel romack that

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